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01 December 2005 @ 05:00 pm
 

I've started a community called colorful_rage. It's a place to vent and rant about issues of race. Any other forms of discrimination are open for discussion too, but it's mostly for race issues b/c I didn't see a community like that already out there (like feminist_rage and queer_rage. Feel free to join, and if you're respectful and not a person who just likes to stir up shit, I'll approve you.

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Rachelkrazyhippie on December 4th, 2005 09:31 pm (UTC)
After the comment you just left there basically denying a lot of the effects of racism? Are you kidding me?

It's a safe space for POC to rant WITHOUT having people come in and tell them that their ridiculous for being upset about something and that it's not justified. They get that in the real world every day enough as it is.
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Rachelkrazyhippie on December 4th, 2005 09:53 pm (UTC)
This community, however, isn't FOR discussion of whether people are being too sensitive about these issues. It's a safe place for them to go and get that out, get angry about it, WITHOUT people trying to tell them they're overreacting. See what I mean? It's a safe space, and people coming in trying to tell them they shouldn't feel that way compromises that safe space.

btw, I was talking about your response to my post, not the other guy's. I didn't see that one till later.
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Rachelkrazyhippie on December 4th, 2005 10:10 pm (UTC)
Doesn't he sound super sensitive?

What a winner.
Rachelkrazyhippie on December 4th, 2005 10:09 pm (UTC)
Is feminist a space for "whiners" because women want somewhere to go to discuss sexism against them without men coming in to say they shouldn't be so sensitive?

You make me fucking sick. If you don't like it, stay the hell out, but who the fuck are you to say that oppressed groups shouldn't be able to get angry about that with people who support them.
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Rachelkrazyhippie on December 4th, 2005 10:32 pm (UTC)
The courtesy? That's what userinfo's are for, dumbass. So I don't have to tell each individual whitey that comes in whining about the mean people of color why they're wrong for posting ignorant responses. It's YOUR duty, before you comment in a community, to go to the userinfo and see what they're about.

Wearing moccasins is an example of cultural appropriation. Look it up.

Yeah, that's why there are no Native Americans in any of the race communities I'm in...why don't you go check a few of them out and ask how many Native Americans are in there before you make assumptions like that that make you look like a dumbfuck. They wouldn't BE in those communities if it didn't matter to them, and I wouldn't even know that these issues were important if I hadn't talked with them on many occasions about such things. Maybe you should try the same. but it's so much easier to pretend you know everything about them already, isn't it.

Hey, I guess the white boy knows best what bothers people of color.
kynnkynn on December 5th, 2005 02:18 am (UTC)
Seems now more like a place for whiners.

Oh, fuck you.
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Rachelkrazyhippie on December 5th, 2005 12:48 am (UTC)
If you post in a comm, people are going to reply. That's how lj works. I don't delete anything anyone posts there b/c they're responsible for what they write. You can always turn off email notifications or just delete them without reading.
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Can you ever let go?crusheddreams10 on December 5th, 2005 01:01 am (UTC)
vern, just an fyi, I'm part native american. I'm not emerged in the culture so I honestly don't take it personally when I see someone wearing mocassins, I just wanted to let you know that tidbit about me.
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Rachelkrazyhippie on December 5th, 2005 01:11 am (UTC)
If the Japanese had moved to your country, claimed it as their own, and then participated in the mass genocide of your people, you might feel differently.

I respected your comment on the very first post. You sounded like you were actually interested in dismantling white privilege. Yet you refuse to even CONSIDER instances of it that people point out. I just don't get that.
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Rachelkrazyhippie on December 5th, 2005 01:55 am (UTC)
Your comments WERE stirring up trouble, though. If you'd read the userinfo, you would have seen that such things were unacceptable to say. I even said specifically that the safe space was extremely important and anyone who violated it by doing this, this, or this, would be banned immediately. I couldn't have been clearer about it.

I understand that you don't think we need to be too sensitive. But you have the privilege of not having to go through the shit they have to go through every day for being a person of color, and that biases your opinion on it. It's your privilege that you don't have to be "too sensitive."

As I said in the userinfo, there are plenty of places to debate white privilege: this is NOT one of them. This is a place for people of color to vent about things that upset them, and to be SUPPORTED for it, not criticized. That's the entire purpose of the community, and you violated that. Thus, you were banned. There was and is nothing to discuss about that. I did only what I said I would do in the userinfo.
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Rachelkrazyhippie on December 5th, 2005 02:13 am (UTC)
You broke the one about keeping it a safe space. Invalidating people's feelings violates a safe space.

You're new to lj, you didn't know, it's all over.
kynnkynn on December 5th, 2005 03:50 am (UTC)
It's not over, because he doesn't learn from his mistakes, and continues being an ass in order to get attention.
kynnkynn on December 5th, 2005 02:21 am (UTC)
Wah wah wah! Who's the fucking crybaby now?
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kynnkynn on December 5th, 2005 03:45 am (UTC)
No, kick you in the face. It's very different!

PS: It was a woman, not a girl.
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kynnkynn on December 5th, 2005 03:49 am (UTC)
Riiight, you were kicked out because of my comment of anger. That's it!

You know you didn't even notice that until after you were kicked out.

You got the boot because you're a fucking asshole who can't even be bothered to read a community's information before posting there.

Oh, and by the way, I do hate you. Utterly despise you. Isn't that awful? You poor baby. I'm sure you'll cry and whine about it some more.

Poor baby!

Poor baby!

Poor, poor baby!
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kynnkynn on December 5th, 2005 05:45 am (UTC)
Yes! That's it exactly! Racism is caused by people who get angry about racism!

Why, if good people would just not get upset about racism, it would all vanish! Because anyone who gets angry about racism is A RACIST!

God, you're full of shit, aren't you?
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kynnkynn on December 5th, 2005 06:17 am (UTC)
You seem to me to be a hateful person.

Oh, I'm not! I'm happy and loving.

I just hate YOU. That's it! Because you're so unbearably awful!

Plus, you're twenty times more hateful than me! No, thirty!
Can you ever let go?crusheddreams10 on December 4th, 2005 09:38 pm (UTC)
Tis a shame you dislike me so, because judging by your interests, we seem to have much in common.

Sigh, all over such petty things such as former ideas and former writing styles.
Rachelkrazyhippie on December 4th, 2005 09:41 pm (UTC)
I don't "dislike you so", I simply called you out on an idea I thought was ridiculous. You later decided you thought so too, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't have been criticized when put up for discussion.

Tis a shame you're still upset about it. I don't hold grudges, that post is that post.
Can you ever let go?crusheddreams10 on December 4th, 2005 09:47 pm (UTC)
I'm not upset about anything. Anyway, it's great that you don't hold grudges, I know some do and it's sometimes hard to tell with some people over the net whether they dislike you or dislike your behavior and idea at the present time.
Rachelkrazyhippie on December 4th, 2005 09:52 pm (UTC)
Not a problem. No one is going to agree on everything, everyone has spats at one point or another. But unless they seem to be all the time, or of an extremel vicious nature, I don't see it as a reason to immediately dislike that person forever. Bygones are bygones. :)
inconceivable1 on December 5th, 2005 01:32 am (UTC)
Holy shit, Vernon...I think I overestimated you. I was actually beginning to think you were capable of not being a complete asshole all of the time. People aren't going to stick their head in the sand and pretend that prejudice doesn't exist because some white asshole might come along and accuse them of whining.

I'd also like to add that as far as whining goes, you have a patent on it and really have no room to talk. The difference is that minorities actually have a legitimate reason to complain, unlike yourself.
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kynnkynn on December 5th, 2005 03:47 am (UTC)
I take it back, I no longer want to punch her in the face. Now I want to kick you in the face instead.
kynnkynn on December 5th, 2005 03:46 am (UTC)
Except you did.
inconceivable1 on December 5th, 2005 04:31 am (UTC)
I only saw one post by you over there, and while you weren't vulgar, it still didn't paint you in a very flattering hue. You had the same attitude that you have toward feminism. You tend to trivialize the things that are so very important to these groups, and whenever you get called on it, you complain that you're being discriminated against.

Yet you fail to see that the very thing you complain about is what you advocate for minorities, women and gay people. You hate it when people get what you insist is the "wrong idea" about you, but you fail to see how insulting it is to have certain expectations or assumptions about people based on nationality, gender or sexual orientation.

I'm not convinced that you do this entirely on purpose, but neither am I convinced that you're as innocent as you try to pass yourself off to be. One can only claim they didn't know any better so many times before it gets old. You SHOULD know better by now, judging by the places you enjoy hanging out at on the internet.
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inconceivable1 on December 5th, 2005 05:07 am (UTC)
If that be the case, then perhaps a warning would have been better than outright banning you...but it is their community and perhaps they've had enough experience with people purposely trolling in the past that they didn't feel inclined to assume you didn't realize the rules.

As I said, I only found one post by you on there, which I thought was very insensitive toward Native Americans. It may just be shoes and beads to you, but to those people it is a sacred part of their culture. Did you know that the color pattern of most beadwork is significant to specific tribes? People wearing them as a fashion statement, without respecting the meaning behind them, are potentially insulting the culture whether they mean to or not.

If it was all truly a mistake, it should probably just be dropped. Everyone makes mistakes, but these days it's difficult to tell who is honestly unaware of the rules and who is just ignoring them to see how far they can get. Just look at the recent happenings at PCT for an example. There's no way that all of those people didn't see all of the sticky posts at the top of the damn forum asking them to read the fucking rules. If prolifers are that stupid they shouldn't bother debating in the first place.
kynnkynn on December 5th, 2005 05:50 am (UTC)
It's a brand new community, but other communities like this have, in the past, been trolled.

Especially when someone who bears all the markings of a sock puppet/troll appears -- no posts in his own info, no user info, few or no friends...

I don't see it as jumping the gun, and his continued insistence that what he did was fine -- even though it violates the rules of the community -- support that it was the right decision.
Rachelkrazyhippie on December 5th, 2005 12:27 pm (UTC)
It's my firm belief that a person should read the community rules before posting, and the rules clearly stated that there would be NO tolerance for such shit, in order to protect the people posting here. I didn't say in the rules "Oh, if you support racism, I'll discuss it with you and maybe give you a second chance." I said "you will be banned immediately." And that's what happened.
kynnkynn on December 5th, 2005 05:48 am (UTC)
That's so clever!

If someone complaining is white, then it's okay to spout off in support of racism! Cuz he's a whiner or a race traitor or something!

You really are into this whole Bizarro World shtick, aren't you?
(Anonymous) on December 5th, 2005 06:36 am (UTC)
Cool Thread
Love the drama.